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	<title>Comments for Word Like Fire: New Worship Music by Joel Hinck</title>
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		<title>Comment on Episode 23: Kyrie by acsweck</title>
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		<dc:creator>acsweck</dc:creator>
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		<description>My first thought when I read that first line was that it was talking about Christ being covered over by our sin, as in our sin was placed on Him, covering Him (albeit temporarily) so thickly that God Himself turned His gaze away.  It was through being subjected to this &quot;covering&quot; that Jesus removed our sin; our sin was transferred from us to Him--in this manner He washed us clean.  Whether or not that was the intent of the lyric or not, I think it works.  Just a different interpretation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first thought when I read that first line was that it was talking about Christ being covered over by our sin, as in our sin was placed on Him, covering Him (albeit temporarily) so thickly that God Himself turned His gaze away.  It was through being subjected to this &#8220;covering&#8221; that Jesus removed our sin; our sin was transferred from us to Him&#8211;in this manner He washed us clean.  Whether or not that was the intent of the lyric or not, I think it works.  Just a different interpretation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Episode 23: Kyrie by Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, and good points!  You&#039;re right, I can&#039;t find any mention in the Bible of us being &quot;covered&quot; in sin.  I guess I was thinking of sin as a barrier or a film that has covered humanity since the fall and God washed away through Christ.   Hmmm...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, and good points!  You&#8217;re right, I can&#8217;t find any mention in the Bible of us being &#8220;covered&#8221; in sin.  I guess I was thinking of sin as a barrier or a film that has covered humanity since the fall and God washed away through Christ.   Hmmm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Episode 23: Kyrie by synger</title>
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		<dc:creator>synger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 01:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like this one.  I love how it is based in the classic liturgy, and yet brings a modern explanation to the words we&#039;ve said over and over again.  Sometimes we just say the words, without thinking about what they mean.  We&#039;ve said them so long they&#039;re just rote.  A song like this really helps us to emphasize what we&#039;re praying... even if next week we&#039;re just saying the &quot;Kyrie&quot; as normal again. 

My only real concern is the first non-liturgical line.  &quot;Covered over by our sin&quot; is kind of a sentence fragment, and thus isn&#039;t as clear as it could be.  I&#039;m not sure what is covered.  I&#039;m assuming it means &quot;we are covered by our sin&quot; which, while kinda true, is also not.  When the Bible speaks of sin, it is as stains more than &quot;covering&quot;.  When it speaks of us being covered, it&#039;s usually by the righteousness of Christ.  So it might be a bit confusing.  I think it would be a stronger song with a stronger first line. I also think it would be stronger if you outlined what Christ&#039;s love is... His work on the cross... not just mention &quot;love&quot;.  (I know, I know... Titus mentions mercy rather than love, but it doesn&#039;t scan with the rest of the lyrics)  And as always, I tend to look at all liturgical music as a way to teach the basics again. *chuckles*

And finally, I really LOVE the tune.  I really like how you start it simple, then repeat it with more emphasis, then harmonization, and finally a much fuller musical expressiveness of our plea for mercy.  Emotionally, it speaks to me this way more than the normal repetition, in the same emphasis each time, of the Kyrie. 

I would definitely use this as part of personal devotion.  I could see this as part of a youth worship service.  I&#039;m not sure it would fly as part of our main worship, although I think it&#039;s worth a shot.  I will mention it to our musical director, and see what he thinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like this one.  I love how it is based in the classic liturgy, and yet brings a modern explanation to the words we&#8217;ve said over and over again.  Sometimes we just say the words, without thinking about what they mean.  We&#8217;ve said them so long they&#8217;re just rote.  A song like this really helps us to emphasize what we&#8217;re praying&#8230; even if next week we&#8217;re just saying the &#8220;Kyrie&#8221; as normal again. </p>
<p>My only real concern is the first non-liturgical line.  &#8220;Covered over by our sin&#8221; is kind of a sentence fragment, and thus isn&#8217;t as clear as it could be.  I&#8217;m not sure what is covered.  I&#8217;m assuming it means &#8220;we are covered by our sin&#8221; which, while kinda true, is also not.  When the Bible speaks of sin, it is as stains more than &#8220;covering&#8221;.  When it speaks of us being covered, it&#8217;s usually by the righteousness of Christ.  So it might be a bit confusing.  I think it would be a stronger song with a stronger first line. I also think it would be stronger if you outlined what Christ&#8217;s love is&#8230; His work on the cross&#8230; not just mention &#8220;love&#8221;.  (I know, I know&#8230; Titus mentions mercy rather than love, but it doesn&#8217;t scan with the rest of the lyrics)  And as always, I tend to look at all liturgical music as a way to teach the basics again. *chuckles*</p>
<p>And finally, I really LOVE the tune.  I really like how you start it simple, then repeat it with more emphasis, then harmonization, and finally a much fuller musical expressiveness of our plea for mercy.  Emotionally, it speaks to me this way more than the normal repetition, in the same emphasis each time, of the Kyrie. </p>
<p>I would definitely use this as part of personal devotion.  I could see this as part of a youth worship service.  I&#8217;m not sure it would fly as part of our main worship, although I think it&#8217;s worth a shot.  I will mention it to our musical director, and see what he thinks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Episode 1: Lift Up My Eyes by synger</title>
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		<dc:creator>synger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is something I&#039;ve thought about ever since my father-in-law changed churches, primarily because of the music.  He said that there were a couple of songs that were so subtle in their wording that he could turn to his wife and sing it to her and it would still make sense as a love song.  Granted, that wouldn&#039;t work in Lift Up My Eyes, because you&#039;re obviously speaking to a deity.  But I still tend to be over-sensitive to songs that neither address God specifically nor use very clear metaphors for God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is something I&#8217;ve thought about ever since my father-in-law changed churches, primarily because of the music.  He said that there were a couple of songs that were so subtle in their wording that he could turn to his wife and sing it to her and it would still make sense as a love song.  Granted, that wouldn&#8217;t work in Lift Up My Eyes, because you&#8217;re obviously speaking to a deity.  But I still tend to be over-sensitive to songs that neither address God specifically nor use very clear metaphors for God.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome and Introduction by synger</title>
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		<dc:creator>synger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Psalms is its own issue.  They are the hymnbook of the early Church, and they are already incorporated into many of the songs and hymns we use.  As someone who often chants the Psalms in my personal devotions, I am definitely aware of how varied they are -- from joyous outbursts of praise to lamentations to confessions to outpourings of martial fervor.  Most songs that use texts straight out of Scripture are given a pass on doctrinal purity.  How much more pure can it be than that? *laughs* 

I was raised Presbyterian, and because our doctrine came from a focus on God&#039;s sovereignty, we had more &quot;praise God&quot; sorts of hymns than &quot;Jesus saved us&quot; hymns(or at least I remember more of them, so chances are we sang them more often).  My Methodist hymnal is filled with hymns dealing with the Spirit, because that&#039;s a focus of Methodist doctrine.  And my Baptist hymnal focuses very much on our personal response to God, because that&#039;s core to most Baptist teachines.  As you say, it&#039;s a matter of emphasis.  Lutheran theology focuses primarily on Christ, and him crucified, and the right division of the Law and Gospel.  So the majority of our hymns (and any other songs we sing in church) are likely to have that emphasis, too.

I do agree that we certainly don&#039;t want to be legalistic about how many &quot;Jesuses&quot; there are mentioned in a song... but we do still need to be clear about who we&#039;re talking about and what He&#039;s done... whether our song is focusing on Christ&#039;s work of redemption or the Spirit&#039;s work of teaching/leading/comforting/encouraging, or something else.  A congregational song needs to teach and encourage.  If I&#039;m going to be humming it until Wednesday, I want it to be a doctrinally clear and solid message.  Not that we have to always explicitly outline God&#039;s plan of salvation, of course!  But when I look at songs to sing, or to suggest for our choir/congregation, I look very closely at what it teaches, both explicitly and implicitly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Psalms is its own issue.  They are the hymnbook of the early Church, and they are already incorporated into many of the songs and hymns we use.  As someone who often chants the Psalms in my personal devotions, I am definitely aware of how varied they are &#8212; from joyous outbursts of praise to lamentations to confessions to outpourings of martial fervor.  Most songs that use texts straight out of Scripture are given a pass on doctrinal purity.  How much more pure can it be than that? *laughs* </p>
<p>I was raised Presbyterian, and because our doctrine came from a focus on God&#8217;s sovereignty, we had more &#8220;praise God&#8221; sorts of hymns than &#8220;Jesus saved us&#8221; hymns(or at least I remember more of them, so chances are we sang them more often).  My Methodist hymnal is filled with hymns dealing with the Spirit, because that&#8217;s a focus of Methodist doctrine.  And my Baptist hymnal focuses very much on our personal response to God, because that&#8217;s core to most Baptist teachines.  As you say, it&#8217;s a matter of emphasis.  Lutheran theology focuses primarily on Christ, and him crucified, and the right division of the Law and Gospel.  So the majority of our hymns (and any other songs we sing in church) are likely to have that emphasis, too.</p>
<p>I do agree that we certainly don&#8217;t want to be legalistic about how many &#8220;Jesuses&#8221; there are mentioned in a song&#8230; but we do still need to be clear about who we&#8217;re talking about and what He&#8217;s done&#8230; whether our song is focusing on Christ&#8217;s work of redemption or the Spirit&#8217;s work of teaching/leading/comforting/encouraging, or something else.  A congregational song needs to teach and encourage.  If I&#8217;m going to be humming it until Wednesday, I want it to be a doctrinally clear and solid message.  Not that we have to always explicitly outline God&#8217;s plan of salvation, of course!  But when I look at songs to sing, or to suggest for our choir/congregation, I look very closely at what it teaches, both explicitly and implicitly.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome and Introduction by Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll need to check out this show- sounds good!  I generally like their criteria (thanks for posting the links), but might quibble a bit.  We worship a triune God (although, judging by some current trends there may have been a memo I missed).  Requiring every song to be about Jesus seems extreme.  Jesus is the cornerstone of our faith, our Savior and guide- &lt;em&gt;but&lt;/em&gt; there are also the Father, our Creator, who welcomes us back into relationship through the sacrifice of his son, and the Spirit, who works in our hearts and lives, communicating God&#039;s will and binding us together into a Body.  As I&#039;ve said before- it&#039;s all about variety.  This may also stem from a difference of opinion about the function music serves within the Church.  This is something I have been planning to write a series of blogs about, but to put it briefly- music is a multifunctional tool.  Yes, it stirs the emotions, but it also can be a great teaching/learning medium.  This is why I think it is important to have meaningful, Biblical truth in a song.  

If we want our congregations to go deeper in their faith- would we encourage them to only read verses of the Bible that mention Jesus?  Yes, they add that &quot;in name or concept&quot; in there, and I suppose you could make an argument that the whole of scripture is about Jesus (in name or concept), but wouldn&#039;t that render their question so broad as to be meaningless?  In fact, we encourage the study of the scripture as a &lt;em&gt;whole&lt;/em&gt;, including those sections that are not explicitly about Jesus (in name or concept), shouldn&#039;t our music reflect the same?

The &quot;Praise Song Cruncher&quot; is a fun idea, but I think it would leave the book of Psalms rather thin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll need to check out this show- sounds good!  I generally like their criteria (thanks for posting the links), but might quibble a bit.  We worship a triune God (although, judging by some current trends there may have been a memo I missed).  Requiring every song to be about Jesus seems extreme.  Jesus is the cornerstone of our faith, our Savior and guide- <em>but</em> there are also the Father, our Creator, who welcomes us back into relationship through the sacrifice of his son, and the Spirit, who works in our hearts and lives, communicating God&#8217;s will and binding us together into a Body.  As I&#8217;ve said before- it&#8217;s all about variety.  This may also stem from a difference of opinion about the function music serves within the Church.  This is something I have been planning to write a series of blogs about, but to put it briefly- music is a multifunctional tool.  Yes, it stirs the emotions, but it also can be a great teaching/learning medium.  This is why I think it is important to have meaningful, Biblical truth in a song.  </p>
<p>If we want our congregations to go deeper in their faith- would we encourage them to only read verses of the Bible that mention Jesus?  Yes, they add that &#8220;in name or concept&#8221; in there, and I suppose you could make an argument that the whole of scripture is about Jesus (in name or concept), but wouldn&#8217;t that render their question so broad as to be meaningless?  In fact, we encourage the study of the scripture as a <em>whole</em>, including those sections that are not explicitly about Jesus (in name or concept), shouldn&#8217;t our music reflect the same?</p>
<p>The &#8220;Praise Song Cruncher&#8221; is a fun idea, but I think it would leave the book of Psalms rather thin.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Episode 1: Lift Up My Eyes by Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!  You bring up a very interesting point, and it&#039;s something I need to give more thought to.  I take as a given that we are singing to the Trinity (not Buddha), and tend to shy away from &lt;em&gt;needing&lt;/em&gt; to name God in a song.  On the one hand, I have no interest in &quot;Jesus&quot; counting (an old complaint of CCM artists when people get angry if there aren&#039;t a certain number of &quot;Jesus&quot;s in a song), but I also see how the other end of the spectrum is being too vague.  Definitely something to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!  You bring up a very interesting point, and it&#8217;s something I need to give more thought to.  I take as a given that we are singing to the Trinity (not Buddha), and tend to shy away from <em>needing</em> to name God in a song.  On the one hand, I have no interest in &#8220;Jesus&#8221; counting (an old complaint of CCM artists when people get angry if there aren&#8217;t a certain number of &#8220;Jesus&#8221;s in a song), but I also see how the other end of the spectrum is being too vague.  Definitely something to think about.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Episode 22: Grow Me by Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I could have been clearer in the second verse.  My intent was:

&lt;em&gt;You know what tomorrow brings&lt;/em&gt;  -God knows the difficulties we will face, as well as his plans and will for our future kingdom work.
&lt;em&gt;Every worry, every need, Lord&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;em&gt;So refine and ready me&lt;/em&gt;                 -So, we pray that in his wisdom and foreknowledge he will equip and strengthen us...
&lt;em&gt;To follow faithfully&lt;/em&gt;                       -To carry out his will with diligence and trust, whatever the task may be.

The song is very &quot;me&quot; centered.  But, I think there is room for variety in our congregational worship, and believe that a personal prayer for spiritual growth &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; appropriate in a church service- as long as it is balanced with other material.  Ultimately, spiritual growth is a personal thing, and encouraging the congregation to think and pray about it is important, whether it comes in the form of a sermon or a song.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I could have been clearer in the second verse.  My intent was:</p>
<p><em>You know what tomorrow brings</em>  -God knows the difficulties we will face, as well as his plans and will for our future kingdom work.<br />
<em>Every worry, every need, Lord</em><br />
<em>So refine and ready me</em>                 -So, we pray that in his wisdom and foreknowledge he will equip and strengthen us&#8230;<br />
<em>To follow faithfully</em>                       -To carry out his will with diligence and trust, whatever the task may be.</p>
<p>The song is very &#8220;me&#8221; centered.  But, I think there is room for variety in our congregational worship, and believe that a personal prayer for spiritual growth <em>is</em> appropriate in a church service- as long as it is balanced with other material.  Ultimately, spiritual growth is a personal thing, and encouraging the congregation to think and pray about it is important, whether it comes in the form of a sermon or a song.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Singing Stable Syllables by synger</title>
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		<dc:creator>synger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make a very good point.  As a soloist, I can sing just about anything.  And as a soloist, I can make it fit even if I mess it up.  It&#039;s just me and the organ or guitar.  

But when I listen to something for choral or congregational singing, the rhythm and the words have to scan more smoothly.  It&#039;s not that you can&#039;t add a little decoration here and there, but it has to be easy, natural decoration.  

For instance... I&#039;m a lyric soprano, and have a solid high range.  But in our small choir, when we lost two of our three altos, I began singing alto because I can read music fairly well and I have a solid, strong voice.  I have learned SO much about harmony and rhythm by singing alto.  If you focus on the alto (or the tenor, for that matter) line in most of our hymns, they are the ones who add the decoration to the various verses.  They have movement, or accidentals, or extra little rhythms, in and around the main soprano melody line.  

But when you are writing unison work, you have to be able to build those interesting things into the main melody without distracting or compromising it.  Some of the early Maranatha praise songs did that very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a very good point.  As a soloist, I can sing just about anything.  And as a soloist, I can make it fit even if I mess it up.  It&#8217;s just me and the organ or guitar.  </p>
<p>But when I listen to something for choral or congregational singing, the rhythm and the words have to scan more smoothly.  It&#8217;s not that you can&#8217;t add a little decoration here and there, but it has to be easy, natural decoration.  </p>
<p>For instance&#8230; I&#8217;m a lyric soprano, and have a solid high range.  But in our small choir, when we lost two of our three altos, I began singing alto because I can read music fairly well and I have a solid, strong voice.  I have learned SO much about harmony and rhythm by singing alto.  If you focus on the alto (or the tenor, for that matter) line in most of our hymns, they are the ones who add the decoration to the various verses.  They have movement, or accidentals, or extra little rhythms, in and around the main soprano melody line.  </p>
<p>But when you are writing unison work, you have to be able to build those interesting things into the main melody without distracting or compromising it.  Some of the early Maranatha praise songs did that very well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I, Me, Mine by synger</title>
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		<dc:creator>synger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree.  Even at the SED conference, I was rather taken aback at some of the &quot;me&quot;-centered songs they had us sing.  Now granted, I know I&#039;m coming from a very strong hymnody-centric worship style... but I do enjoy CCM, and listen to it constantly on the radio, even though I don&#039;t sing it much in church.  

I also agree with you that the trend seems to be changing somewhat.  I think the CCM writers are beginning to hear the critics who say we don&#039;t want just cotton-candy, happy-clappy, Jesus is my boyfriend songs.  

I think that it&#039;s VERY important to encourage songwriters like yourself, who are interested in writing Biblical and doctrinally solid songs for congregational singing.  It&#039;s a hard calling... but then, God doesn&#039;t call us where He doesn&#039;t give us strength to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree.  Even at the SED conference, I was rather taken aback at some of the &#8220;me&#8221;-centered songs they had us sing.  Now granted, I know I&#8217;m coming from a very strong hymnody-centric worship style&#8230; but I do enjoy CCM, and listen to it constantly on the radio, even though I don&#8217;t sing it much in church.  </p>
<p>I also agree with you that the trend seems to be changing somewhat.  I think the CCM writers are beginning to hear the critics who say we don&#8217;t want just cotton-candy, happy-clappy, Jesus is my boyfriend songs.  </p>
<p>I think that it&#8217;s VERY important to encourage songwriters like yourself, who are interested in writing Biblical and doctrinally solid songs for congregational singing.  It&#8217;s a hard calling&#8230; but then, God doesn&#8217;t call us where He doesn&#8217;t give us strength to go.</p>
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